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Why engines, firefighters respond to medical calls

One of the questions we are asked most often is, “Why do fire engines go to medical emergencies?” The answer is that both the fire department and the ambulance company are dispatched to all medical emergencies at the same time. Each agency is medically trained and both agencies work together. It is all part of what is referred to as the pre-hospital care system.

Time is one of the critical elements in the resolution of medical emergencies. When you or your family are hurt or injured, you want help to arrive quickly. More specifically, you want qualified and well-trained help to arrive quickly.

The way this system works is that firefighters everywhere are trained at the basic life-support level or higher so they can intercede in life-threatening situations. When they arrive, the firefighters begin providing medical care. When the ambulance arrives, its personnel become part of the team; they enhance the medical care and transport the patient to the hospital.

An important distinction to note here is that your Lompoc firefighters are trained beyond the basic life-support level. They have received additional medical certification that allows them to provide more advanced care. In fact, the Lompoc Fire Department is the only department in Santa Barbara County trained to provide these advanced skills.

Another reason that the fire engines go to medical emergencies is that they are manpower intensive. An ambulance carries two people, and the fire engines carry three.

Most medical incidents take four to five people to provide care for one patient. Even when the ambulance is transporting the patient, it is common for a firefighter to ride along in the ambulance to continue to provide the care on the way to the hospital. This is a good working relationship for both agencies.

More often than not, the firefighters arrive on the scene first because of their locations within the city, and you don't pay anything for their response. It makes good sense to send qualified available resources, who are already trained, to the medical emergencies.

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Fire departments all over the United States have been responding to medical emergencies for more than 50 years now. There is nothing new about this process. However, I'm sure you don't care who gets there first - as long as we get there fast.

So pull to the right when you see the red lights coming and be assured we aren't just going out for pizza!

Battalion Chief Stan Hart is in charge of

operations at the Lompoc Fire Department.

He can be reached at s_hart@ci.lompoc.ca.us.

Feb. 19, 2007


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13 comment(s)

Pat Hart wrote on Feb 19, 2007 9:14 AM:

" Paramedics spend most of their time responding to what they all call EEEs: Exaggerated Ethnic Emergencies. Everyone knows that an illegal gets a free ride to the hospital and free medcial care, so why call a taxi? "

Lompoc Citizen wrote on Feb 19, 2007 10:04 AM:

" ......................I would wager an objective poll performed within the rank and file of AMR would undermine your stand that THREE people are needed. If that was the case, AMR would simply have three personnel assigned to every ambulance. In fact, Ambulances across the world would have three people in them. I think it is a good idea to have Fire respond to SOME medical calls. But I also feel, based upon personal observations at hundreds of medical calls, that FIRE personnel often get in the way and are not needed at the some of the these calls. A MATRIX should be made by both involved parties along with a neutral, objective, third party to come to a reasonable solution in forming such a matrix. The fact that FIRE goes on ALL medicals calls IS ridiculous and a waste of tax-payer resources. How about some FIRE prevention and brush removal instead of chasing ambulances? Oh I forgot, you have to have extra crews at the cost of millions to do that. "

Kate wrote on Feb 19, 2007 5:55 PM:

" Good information. I've worked as an RN for 35 years and could only guess at the answer to this question. Enlightening! Thanks for all the service you provide for the community! "

Jon wrote on Feb 19, 2007 7:11 PM:

" It is unfortunate that there are half truths to this story. As a tax payer you pay more than what you think you do. You just don't see the bill as often. If you ask most firefighters what they really want to do.....it is fight fires. They really don't want to help you with your aches and pain and problems in the middle of the night. They want to fight fires. That is why most of them left the EMS only systems. I find it interesting that they need 4 to 5 people for most of their calls when most hospitals greet you with one RN. Chief Hart is doing what he was hired to do.....sell you with half truths. Too Bad. But who talks bad about firefighters. Someone really needs to tell the truth, not firefighter half-truths. "

Ex Medic wrote on Feb 20, 2007 9:43 AM:

" The notion that "...you don't pay anything for their response" in reference to the fire department responding to medical calls is not necessarily true. Portions of property taxes, sales tax revenue, state and federal grant money and other forms of revenue such as developer fees go toward fire department funding, Those dollars don't magically appear, they come from taxpayers. Less than 5 percent of all medical emergencies are life threatening; yet a fire engine with three people responds with lights and sirens to every 911 call. It is past time for the fire department to rethink their response pattern. "

Observer wrote on Feb 21, 2007 4:47 AM:

" Lompoc firefighters are trained beyond the basic life-support level. They have received additional medical certification that allows them to provide more advanced care. In fact, the Lompoc Fire Department is the only department in Santa Barbara County trained to provide these advanced skills. Are you guys paramedics? What advanced skills does Lompoc provide that is above other fire departments in the County? "

reality check... wrote on Feb 24, 2007 9:24 PM:

" Lompoc only has TWO ambulances. Because of transports (EEE's included), mentally ill going to south county, and mutual aid, it is common for us to have NO ambulances. Sometimes we borrow from Santa Maria! Meanwhile, the FIRE department id providing medical...... "

Lompoc Resident-Out of town Firefighter wrote on Feb 25, 2007 8:43 AM:

" Due to the time it takes for a fire to grow from its its "beginning" stage to the stage of "free burning" is only a matter of minutes, arguably, 3-7 minutes. Since fire departments were formed by insurance agency's in the 1800's to protect their assets it was in their best interest (ins.companies) to place fire apparatus in strategic locations through out a community to ensure that from the time of fire ignition to the time of fire suppression is within this time frame. This practice is still followed. However with the increase in Fire Prevention and Public awareness the amount of fires have gone down. We still need to staff accordingly "just in case" but in recent years, because you can find a fire station fairly close in all directions we have been responding to medical calls. In Santa Barbara County the primary transport agency is a private ambulance company called AMR. They do not have the same time commitments so they do not ensure that there is always a unit available within that “under 5” minute time frame even though it is a goal of theirs too. I know that fact can be argued but it is true. So, Why do Fire Engines go to Emergency calls, because you have highly trained personnel that can be at your bedside quick. If we are not needed when we get there, then we leave. If we are needed person 1-will get vital signs 2. will get patient information and history 3. will assist with first in equipment 4. & 5 will work the gurney.(that would be for a routine call, sometimes thats too many, sometimes thats not enough). So think about it when you or your family need to call 911, do you want us to spend extra time trying to figure out the severity or where it fits into the “Matrix” before we respond, or do you want us to just respond?.....P.S. we DO prefer fighting fires but no fire has ever said “Thank you for coming to help me with a tear in their eye” I kinda like hearing that too. WE ARE HERE TO HELP!!!! "

Another Ex-Medic wrote on Feb 26, 2007 4:42 PM:

" I'm a bit suprised after reading some of the feedback posted here. I myself am a ex-Paramedic who had worked in the Emergency Medical Services (EMS) for about 8 years. I'm going to rephrase the question to "Why do I want a fire fighter / EMT'S with me on each and every 911 dispatched (non-transport) call? Chances are your local fire station is closer to you than I am going to be. Even responding Code 3 (lights and siren) the fire department is typically first on scene proving BLS (now AED) and obtaining vital informaiton from the patient or family to pass along to the Paramedics. This saves valuable time on scene and provides the Paramedic a baseline which to treat the patient - immediately. If I can leave you with one thing - it's the fact that your fire department and local paramedics are all part of the same team. The goal is to provide quality pre-hospital emergency care. Something the Paramedics and Fire Department EMT'S do very well around here. We should all be very thankfull they are and ready to assist in our time of need. "

Santa Maria Resident wrote on Feb 28, 2007 2:55 PM:

" I lived in Lompoc for 17 years and now am a resident of Santa Maria. Both my child and I have been in emergency situations and both times the fire department responded before the ambulance and it was wonderful since we were both in life threatening situations. I am sure fire fighters would much rather fight fires but shouldn't we be thanking them instead of talking about how ridiculous it is to have them responding. So just remember the next time you or a family member are in an emergency situation and the fire department responds. I bet you won't turn their services away!!! Just remember to say thank you. I am sure they dont hear that nearly enough. So thank you to all the wonderful firefighters. My family appreciates all your services!!!! "

Brian wrote on Mar 1, 2007 8:03 PM:

" I have to respond to the comment that Jon wrote. These are not FireFighter half truth's. FireFighters care about the well being of everyone. That is why we do what we do. Yes we love to fight fires but when we all got in this job we knew that 85% of the calls would be medical calls. Yes a few of those may not be life threatening but they are an emergency to that person and there family , and we come with a smile on our face and lend a helping hand. As for the CPR comment unless you have performed CPR in many different situations you do not trully know what it takes. My challange to all is if you want to know more or have doughts about your fire department stop by, ask questions. "

Stetz wrote on Mar 6, 2007 1:12 AM:

" Having done CPR on a friend while waiting for EMS , I was very happy to see fire on scene. Fire personel are exactly what we need as first responders. As typically; we won't miss them until they are gone. Be careful what you wish for. "

Gerome wrote on Mar 6, 2007 8:35 AM:

" I went to Sansum Urgent care with a pain in my upper left chest. The EKG proved negative, but the ER Doctor decided that I should be taken the Lompoc Valley Hospital. So they called AMR. Who shows up first, the fire department. Then AMR arrived. AMR personnel placed me on a gurney and wheeled me to their ambulance and transported me the the ER of Lompoc Valley Hospital, a ride of approx. 2 and a quarter miles. Cost of the trip was approx. $1000.00. Should have had the fire fighters give me aride down there for free. I could even have hitched a ride on one of the many COLT buses running around town that are 95 Pct. empty 95 Pct. of the time. Or maybe I should have said that I was an illegal. As one comment previously said, they get their ride for free. Something just isn't right! "





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